Subject	That data doesn't sound right to me.
Posted by	Marshall on August 27, 2002 at 2:41 PM
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In Reply To	Stoptech brake upgrade testing complete .... posted by Luke@tirerack on August 27, 2002 at 11:28 AM
Message	I won't argue about the fading because everyone knows the stock brakes fade easily. But how will any brake upgrade increase the tires' adhesion to the ground? Even if I slam on my stock brakes hard enough, the tires will lose traction to the ground and the ABS will kick in. This is not a limitation of the stock brakes, this is a limitation of the physical grip to the ground. If even the stock brakes are able to grip so hard that the tires can't hold, how will a brake upgrade overcome that limitation? For a simple 60-0 stopping test the bottleneck should not be the brakes but the tires' grip. I'd be interested in seeing the details of the test setup such as the tires used for the test, the pressure applied to the pedal, if you let the ABS kick in for both the stock brakes and the kit, etc.
Follow Ups	Stoptech brake upgrade testing complete .... - Luke@tirerack 11:28:40 08/27/02 any repeated stop data, like C&D did with the WRX? (n/m) - SactoTodd 11:35:44 08/27/02 yes but, I do not have all of the data yet ... - Luke@tirerack 11:48:35 08/27/02 excellent! thanks Luke. (n/m) - SactoTodd 11:52:06 08/27/02 Nice. :) I'm with Todd tho, gotta beat them repeatedly. >>> - AshsZ (Fab Whore, Ph.D) 11:39:59 08/27/02 332mm floating 2-piece rotors and Stoptech Calipers - Luke@tirerack 11:50:13 08/27/02 Any projected date of sale? (n/m) - RezidentEvil 12:03:19 08/27/02 a couple of weeks ... (n/m) - Luke@tirerack 12:20:41 08/27/02 Here's a question... - John(Houston) 12:04:32 08/27/02 yes it will (n/m) - Luke@tirerack 12:20:07 08/27/02 Excellent! (n/m) - John(Houston) 12:29:09 08/27/02 Yep, except the StopTech caliper is twice as rigid :) (n/m) - SeedyRom (TT Huntin) 13:37:44 08/27/02 But unfortunately not as pretty... IMO, that is... - John(Houston) 13:51:42 08/27/02 Function > Form ;) And actually they look about the same. - SeedyRom (TT Huntin) 13:58:17 08/27/02 Lettering is pretty. :) - John(Houston) 14:23:31 08/27/02 Nice specs. :) What's the price of this setup? (n/m) - AshsZ (Fab Whore, Ph.D) 12:07:18 08/27/02 I would guess $1500+ (n/m) - Chip(GinnMotorsports) 12:26:51 08/27/02 It'll be a little more than that but you get A LOT... - SeedyRom (TT Huntin) 13:39:27 08/27/02 I was being conservative, (n/m) - Chip(GinnMotorsports) 13:48:51 08/27/02 Just a hair ;) - SeedyRom (TT Huntin) 13:56:28 08/27/02 I actually did not want to post $2000 and have ASH - Chip(GinnMotorsports) 14:31:15 08/27/02 $2000 for calipers, rotors, etc etc isn't bad... >>> - AshsZ (Fab Whore, Ph.D) 14:36:39 08/27/02 BTW: I sent some business your way >>> - AshsZ (Fab Whore, Ph.D) 14:41:08 08/27/02 It is because we both believe strongly in what we say. - Chip(GinnMotorsports) 16:09:41 08/27/02 Now you've got me curious. I'll have to test my $200 specls - AshsZ (Fab Whore, Ph.D) 14:08:00 08/27/02 That's what they did. The StopTech testing is DETAILED - SeedyRom (TT Huntin) 13:36:59 08/27/02 Excellent. I look forward to some more quantitative info. (n/m) - AshsZ (Fab Whore, Ph.D) 14:38:44 08/27/02 you have mail. (n/m) - Chris-TTZ 11:42:35 08/27/02 Yep ... lots of it and it just keeps coming ... - Luke@tirerack 11:51:09 08/27/02 guess there will be no kit that will fit under 16"s? (n/m) - FLY 1 (Dallaz) 13:00:08 08/27/02 even the skyline upgrade barley fits under stocks. - AntiHero[seatbelts rock] 13:22:38 08/27/02 R32 calipers/rotors fits fine and same in diameter but lil - FLY 1 (Dallaz) 13:38:19 08/27/02 no they dont - AntiHero[seatbelts rock] 13:51:41 08/27/02 Yes they do. - SpdDemon13 (Baltimore) 16:05:48 08/27/02 uhh... you just agreed with me - AntiHero[seatbelts rock] 20:08:05 08/27/02 you are missing my point - FLY 1 (Dallaz) 21:40:15 08/27/02 No I didn't. - SpdDemon13 (Baltimore) 22:28:29 08/27/02 R32 calipers/rotors fits fine and same in diameter but lil - FLY 1 (Dallaz) 13:42:33 08/27/02 update !!! - Luke@tirerack 13:26:47 08/27/02 That data doesn't sound right to me. - Marshall 14:41:05 08/27/02 Re: That data doesn't sound right to me. - sparkie 15:07:54 08/27/02 You're getting caught up in the details. - Marshall 15:34:38 08/27/02 The difference between stock brakes and upgraded brakes is - PLEAZURE in CA (SD) 16:53:04 08/27/02 You're *almost* right.... - Marshall 20:15:20 08/27/02 Re: That data doesn't sound right to me. - Luke@tirerack 15:32:32 08/27/02 Did you have the ABS kick in each time? - Marshall 15:48:25 08/27/02 you are overlooking several points - AntiHero[seatbelts rock] 20:15:24 08/27/02 I don't buy that point. - Marshall 20:34:09 08/27/02 Re: That data doesn't sound right to me. - CanAmBob 23:00:04 08/27/02 You've got mail! (n/m) - Jackie Chan (Boosted) 15:08:28 08/27/02
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